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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:24 pm?? ?Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about risk and reward -- the sources that have the highest historical gain have also had the most short-to-medium-term risk. What's the plan for the money you'd like to invest? Is this for retirement in 30+ years, home down payment in < 10 years, or something else? Are you looking to invest in a tax-advantaged account such as 401k or IRA, or a taxable account?

I suggest that you explain what your goals are, and read up on the wiki: http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_Started

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:58 pm?? ?Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum Smile .

Here is a good place to start your real education on investing, Investing Essentials: A Primer -- http://investingroadmap.wordpress.com/ .

Skip the day trading. Look for low-expenses, broad diversification, and tax efficiency using index funds.

Do you have access to a 401k at work? If not, think about opening an IRA at Vanguard to start.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:24 pm?? ?Post subject: Reply with quote

saied45 wrote:
thanks. yes im going to invest in 401k and roth ira. im not doing any day trading cause i dont have the time or patience or knowledge. i want to do mutual funds but i hear they are expensive.so im probably going to go with indexing.

I would invest $5k into a roth IRA for this year and another $5k at the beginning of next year. The advantage of the Roth IRA is that you can withdraw the contributions if there is an emergency.

You may want to look into target retirement or life strategy (growth) funds offered by Vanguard for a one fund choice.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:44 pm?? ?Post subject: Re: where to start for a 22 year old Reply with quote

saied45 wrote:
first of all im so glad that i found this forum. all the other financial forums i been to are just unhelpful and i read in a book that this is an extremly frindly community, so again glad to be here.
second my dilema starts with i have about 10 grand saved up right now sitting at a saving account collecting a minimal one percent. i always wanted to invest money in the market and have been reading all kinds of books about the stock market. mutual funds, day trading, index investing and all.
so im gonna save about 15 grand and then invest 10 grand in the market but i have no idea where to start. whats a good way to invest this money in a safe way that pays better than that 1 percent.
i would really appreciate the help. thanks

Hello saied and welcome to the forum,
Unfortunately there is no real way to invest in the stock market in a safe way and be sure of a return >1%. Some years the stock market goes down a lot. In 2008 for example the s&p 500 lost 37% and other markets (emerging markets) did worse. As they say, you pay your money and you take your chances.

If you want to guarantee a return of 2.75% you could invest in 7 year pen fed cds.
https://www.penfed.org/product....icates.asp
if you need the money before 7 years, you can cash out and lose a years interest.

As far as the stock market goes, the two funds I would recommend are the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSMX) and the Vanguard Total International Stock index (VGTSX). Probably in a 70/30 ratio. There is also this fund:
Vanguard Total World Stock Market index (VTWSX) which covers the whole world. But it has more than half of its stocks in international and has a higher expense ratio of 0.45%.
hope this helps
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:14 pm?? ?Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum.

Take your time. You are off to a good start with your savings. At this point in your investing life cycle, your SAVINGS RATE is much more important than investment rate of return. Once you have a bigger nest egg - your rate of return will be more important. But at this point - not so much. Wealth is accumulated by spending less than you earn, not by hitting a jack-pot on the stock market. So don't gamble, try to pick the next Google or Apple - and risk losing it all. Take the recommended slow and steady approach.

Read the Investing Startup Kit here: http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki....art-up_kit

Consider a simple 2 or 3 or 4 fund portfolio. Keep it very simple!

Write up your plan. http://www.bogleheads.org/foru....hp?t=69802 You can revise it as you learn - but don't change it based on market news - only change it based on new personal knowledge and personal circumstances.

Pick a Lazy Portfolio to start: http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Lazy_Portfolios Nobody knows which will do best over the next 3/5/10 years - so just keep it simple until you have a very very very good reason to get more complex.

Start conservatively - mostly bonds - say 25% stock/75% bonds - until you get some cushion built up - donno - say $100k - and you get some experience watching the wiggly lines on the charts. Then switch to "age in bonds" when you have >$100k

Look into the Core Four: http://www.bogleheads.org/foru....hp?t=10413

Perhaps something like:
15% VTSMX / VTI Total US Stock Market
10% VFWIX / VEU International
05% VGSIX / VNQ Real Estate Index
70% VBMFX / BND Total Bond Fund

Phew - I've written too much.

good luck.

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